Outdoor Berkey Water Filter Systems Can Now Be Shipped to California
By Dan DeBaunShare
Statement Update: 3/10/2023
As you know, NMCL's line of Berkey® Multi-Use Water Filtration Systems are not for sale in the state of California. NMCL is now purposely choosing to prohibit the sale of ALL of our filtration products (including “Outdoor Systems”) in California and to residents of California.
This is because of the state's ever-changing and complex regulations along with its long history of activist litigation. NMCL simply does not have the staff to continually monitor and interpret the endless and ever-changing regulations of the state of CA.
Statement Update: 12.4/2023
We have just been notified that as of 12/4/2012, we are now permitted to sell outdoor Berkey Water Filter Systems to CA (Berkey Light and Travel Berkey). Please see official California press release below. If you intend to, or have placed an order for one of the "indoor" systems (Big Berkey, Royal Berkey, Imperial Berkey, or Crown Berkey), or a shower filter, we would need an alternate address of a friend of family member outside of CA, who could then forward it onto you in CA. This method of receiving the indoor systems is permissible.
"As you know we withdrew sales from the California marketplace when their lead free regulations went into affect. At that time it was our, as well as many other firms, opinion that the Lead Free regulations were too ambiguous, the requirements were too cost prohibitive and that the compliance requirements made it virtually impossible for small and medium sized companies, domiciled outside the state of California, to be in compliance.
Since that time however, the state of California has defined with greater specificity the requirements pertaining to this regulation. In reviewing the updated information and after consulting with our counsel, we have come to the conclusion that Berkey free standing water filtration and purification systems do not fall within the scope of those regulations.
The other stainless systems cannot be shipped to California because they are listed as indoor filtration systems and California has other regulations that still affect some of the products. These regulations prohibit the making of any health claims, such as the removal of pathogenic bacteria, on residential filtration systems. These regulations do not apply to "outdoor" water filtration systems and is why these are now available. Until we have conducted a full review of those regulations, only sales of the following systems and products are now permitted to be made available to customers in state of California:
Sport Berkey
Go Berkey
Travel Berkey
Berkey Light (With or without LED lights)
Black Berkey Filter Elements
SuperSterasyl Elements
PF-2 and PF-4 Filters
All Replacement Parts
Should you have any questions in this regard, please contact us at 877-992-3753 or customerservice@bigberkeywaterfilters.com"
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Dan DeBaun
Dan DeBaun is the owner and operator of Big Berkey Water Filters. Prior to Berkey, Dan was an asset manager for a major telecommunications company. He graduated from Rutgers with an undergraduate degree in industrial engineering, followed by an MBA in finance from Rutgers as well. Dan enjoys biohacking, exercising, meditation, beach life, and spending time with family and friends.
~ The Owner of Big Berkey Water Filters
If those regulations favored businesses, there wouldn't be so many businesses that have 1) moved out of California to other states with less regulations and 2) shut down completely. Also: Blue states have the most poverty. They do not flourish.
When I was initially on your website I saw that you can have 4 different filters but now I can’t find it at all. I’m guessing that it is out of stock. I want to read more about this 4 filter unit. Can you help guide me to this unit. Yes, I will understand that the additional 2 filters are additional.
I’m planning on moving to Japan in about 6 months, and am considering buying either your travel or big Berkeley water filter. Questions, do you ship replacement filters to Japan and would your warranties still apply?
Is it possible to buy your products in Japan?
Sincerely
LW
Hi LW -
Yes, we do ship all out Berkey products to Japan. Warranties would still apply as well.
We do not have any dealers in Japan however.
Thanks
Dan
Lead in your head is about where its located. Thats 99.999% of California Democrap shedding/slough...yes it is Disgusting !!
Dear Person at Big Berkey,
I believe we are past due to replace our 4 black filters on our Big Berkey that we purchased about 18 years ago.
I believe we had the 2 gallon model. Even at approximately 18 years of regular use by myself and my wife, the water still tastes fine from using your system.
As we live in California, we elected to have our unit forwarded to us here via good friends in Colorado.
I'm hoping you have the ability to access which unit we purchased from you, so we will know which 4 all all black filters to reorder for our unit.
From reading your comments on your website, I get the impression that filters may now be excluded from being banned in California, but perhaps this is only wishful thinking on my part?
Thanks for a great system,
I'll be contacting you soon,
Bye for now,
John
Please e-mail me back, as to whether filters are exempted from being excluded from California.
Hi John -
Yes, the filter replacements are allowed to be shipped to CA. I'm glad the system and original filters have sere you well for so long! :) You can find the <a href="https://www.bigberkeywaterfilters.com/black-berkey-filters.html" rel="nofollow">black berkey filters here</a>.
Thanks
Dan
but the results of all the contaminants that are removed using the black berkey filters are scientifically proven and tested right?
That is correct Lauren.
All the Berkey testing results can be found here:
https://www.bigberkeywaterfilters.com/helpful-resources/#test-results
Thanks
Dan
How much does the big berkey system weigh? (to estimate shipping costs)
Hi Jessie -
It's approx 10lbs.
Thanks
Dan
If I am in CA and I have a berkey shipped to an outside-CA friend who then forwards it to me, is it still eligible for warranty?
Hi Melissa -
Yes, you are. Warranty will still apply just the same.
Thanks
Dan
Ryan, blaming Democrats without knowing who did what is stupid, and just your confirmation bias. We need a lot of the regulations we have, believe it or not, and so much of the problem is that most laws passed (including regulations) are to favor one entity, overwhelmingly a business or industry. Get your facts before blaming people. You may be right, but you've simplified it, and believing doesn't make it so.
Hi,
Can the shower filter be shipped to Ca.?
Thanks!
Hi Nonie -
Yes, it can.
Thanks
Dan
I totally agree with you. I blame the democrats in this regulated state. It's ridiculous how many companies have been shut down or forced to leave from all the Bull$hit regulations.
We have a big berkley indoor filtration system. We are actually moving back to California in a few months. Once we've moved, will we still be able to have the Black Berkley filters &amp; fluoride filters shipped to our new home in California?
Hi Ian -
Yes, we can ship the filters to CA.
Thanks
Dan
I have been reading the questions and comments here and agree whole heartedly with Berkey on the issue of propriety and not leaving to chance the trust of such intellectual property to politicians. The Berkey System works and is accepted and used throughout many parts of the world. As for the aluminum leaching from Berkey filters or any other Berkey component that is Highly unlikely ! I am no chemist but did take chemistry in high school and have always had an interest in it and I have of late researched extensively the issue of Fluorine in the environment and its affects and also have been well aware of the research done on it since at least as far back as the 1950's and fluorine serves No useful purpose in our drinking water and in fact where it does exist naturally in the water it poses a problem (Read Wiki, Fluoridation by Country). Many in Europe Do Not even allow fluorine in any form to be added to the water as they do in the US and opposition to its addition to drinking water in many places including the US is rising. Aluminum and fluorine have a strong affinity for each other and aluminum oxide is in itself very stable and has the ability to draw many contaminants like fluorine and arsenic out of the water without itself leaching back into the water so it makes perfect sense it would be used for such removal. Much research has been done on this matter and is Still being done and anyone can do there own research and Google the subjects. One will find many Pro's and Con's on the subject of fluoridation with the Con's rising and even more current information on fluorides possible contribution to Alzheimer's and bone disorders due to the fact that it interferes with our body's own natural occurring aluminum. Fluorine can also interfere with calcium and phosphorous absorption and utilization in our bodies. I Will be buying a Berkey system soon myself because there is enough evidence that it is Very safe and effective. And let's not forget the ever rising problem of Pharmaceuticals in our drinking water !
Hi Dan,
I am definitely considering buying a Big Berkey system for our home in Ocala, Florida. My question is that we have well water here that is high in hard water deposits such as limestone, iron, etc. which continually leaves hard scale deposits on water fixtures and we do not have a water softener system inline as we are renters on this property. Would the hard water deposits prematurely age the filters for the system? I feel we may have a lot of manganese here, too. Do you feel your system could make our water safe and not destroy the filter in the process? Or, do you think we should have a water softener in place first?
Thanks for your time,
Karen Dunn
Hi Karen -
They may have an impact. It's tough to gauge on the aging aspect, however it sounds like you would need to be more diligent in cleaning the filters often. A water softener would decrease the cleaning requirements.
Thanks
Dan
Will outside of CA family have to pay for forwarding postage?
Hi Laura -
Yes, this friend/family member would need to forward it on for you.
Thanks
Dan
I don't use aluminum cookware. Is there any form of aluminum I.e. Alumina/ aluminum oxides in your filters?
Thank you
Hi Robert -
The fluoride filters use alumina oxide. The difference between aluminum and alumina from the FAQ is as follows:
"The media used to extract the fluoride and arsenic is activated alumina. Since fluoride is a by-product of aluminum production, fluoride has a natural affinity to recombine with activated alumina making it an ideal extraction media. We are not chemists but will communicate our understanding on the subject. Both nutritionist and lab technicians have informed us that aluminum and alumina are two separate animals. Aluminum can cross the blood brain barrier and cause problems with the brain whereas alumina is inert. It is our understanding that alumina is oxidized aluminum. Aluminum is regulated whereas alumina is not for example, alumina is the material used for making the paste in toothpaste. At any rate, when testing for aluminum in water, most tests cannot distinguish between aluminum ions and oxidized alumina. Since we are not chemists, we tested the effluent from the filters and included that information in our brochure. While we were not required to do so, we felt that it was important to disclose to our customers what our results were so that they would have the necessary information to do further research on the issue should they desire to do so. We think it was significant in the test we conducted using the combination of Black Berkey elements and PF-2 elements there was a net reduction in the tested aluminum content of the source water vs. the purified water. Again that test did not distinguish between aluminum and alumina. The bottom line is that the media utilized is oxidized alumina and not aluminum."
Thanks
Dan
Hi there, I have read the above discussion about not disclosing the contents of the filters, and I am curious if there is corn or soy in the filters, as I am highly allergic to these. Thank you! Jessica
Hi Jessica -
No, there is no soy, corn, or food products in the filters.
Thanks
Dan
I don't agree with having a nondisclosure of your filters. It sounds like what the fracking did initially with their chemicals that they did not want us to know were there and were less than safe. Why not tell us what you use in your filters and are exposing us to. So we can decide for our self if we want it in our bodies.
Hi Tia -
The black berkey filters do not add anything to the filtered water, and they only use safe and natural ingredients to remove the chemicals and contaminants. This situation could be compared to google's search engine algorithm. One of the reasons google has been so successful over the years, is that their search algorithm (their bread and butter) is considered much more advanced and precise in it's results; better than competitors like Bing, Yahoo, etc. This search algorithm is patented and considered one the of the best kept secrets on the web, even though many are always trying to crack and reverse engineer the code.
The berkey is similar in that, if the proprietary formula was to ever be released, then any competitor could easily replicate the berkey business model and the company would lose it's competitive advantage. Propur is a good example of this. This company is an ex-Berkey dealer who has attempted to copy the entire berkey business model. They even advertise and partnered with the same radio shows as Berkey. Check them out. Even the naming is similar. While they have had some affect on the Berkey business, the only reason they have not been successful is because they lack the most critical piece...the filter formula itself. Thus, they can not replicate the same high quality filtration results, and at the end of the day, that's what customers are really looking for.
Since the berkey filters are considered by many to be the best and highest of quality of filters in the gravity filtration market, the company would not want to put this at any risk of loss. CA would require that the formula be provided to them, and the company does not feel comfortable putting this highly valuable intellectual property in the hands of government bureaucrats. Once it leaves Berkey's hands, it would be impossible to control any potential leaks to competitors, unscrupulous business man, etc.
Thanks
Dan
It looks like I will be enlisting the help of relatives in Prescott, AZ.
Hey Dan, is the proprietary black berkey formula patented?
Thanks,
Jessica
Hi Jessica -
Yes, the formula is proprietary. Here's a good definition:
"Proprietary is for the sole knowledge of its owners, and is normally not available outside the business. The proprietary information critical for business success includes company financials, tax compliance, client financials, customer lists, and pricing information, as well as trade secrets, such as R&D, formulas, and software programs. While it may be illegal for an unauthorized individual or entity to access or usurp the information, the burden remains on the owner to protect the property from theft. The extent of criminal culpability is often directly linked to evidence that the owners made serious and sustained efforts to secure the information from outside interference."
So, to put this in perspective, the company would need to provide CA with this proprietary formula. Then if the formula ever got into the hands of competition, new start-ups, etc who were attempting to use the formula, it would be up to the company to determine this, and then pursue legal avenues to address. Over the past few years, there has already been companies trying to steal the Berkey business model, and legal action was required as a result.
Bottom Line: They look at this CA law as pandoras box for their most valuable asset (the black berkeys), hence the refusal to comply.
Thanks
Dan
Dan,
If I call my state law makers what should I ask for or tell them? Is it that states EPA that created this regulation? And is it the potential lead that may be in the stainless steal that is the problem- or is it that your business can not make claims that your filtration system deals with lead?
Thanks!
Aaron
Hi Aaron -
There are 2 hangups. One is the high cost the state requires for certification. The second is that the company would need to turn over their proprietary black berkey formula to the state. Since the value and success of the company lies in keeping these ingredients secret, providing this the state with this information is a risk they are not willing to take. The testing shows removal of lead and heavy metals, and lead is not in the any of the berkey products.
Thanks
Dan
It's now february 2015, more than 2 years after CA shipments stopped. Is the issue ever going to be straightened out? I look at rei.com and there are tons of competing purifiers and filters available in CA, plus from other vendors there are under-sink filters and RO systems galore. Are they doing something that Berkey is having trouble with? What is different about Berkey? Thanks.
Hi Paul -
There are 2 hangups. One is the high cost the state requires for certification. The second is that the company would need to turn over their proprietary black berkey formula to the state. Since the value and success of the company lies in keeping these ingredients secret, providing this the state with this information is a risk they are not willing to take. The testing shows removal of lead and heavy metals, and lead is not in the any of the berkey products.
Thanks
Dan
Well untill califorina figures this, that getting rid of incomedants in politics that have no technical background in science or or any other like backround.we will keep paying the price of our ignorant laws and politics. So vote out the ignorant california.
Yo! Common Demented Fool, Stop drinking your polluted Kool-aid and get on a diet of reality and good pure water. There are still real communists that hate America, but Berkey water filters is not part of you'r imagined conspiracy.
This is yet ANOTHER reason we are working on creating the State of Jefferson!!!!
Do you have a store front that we could just drive to in Nevada like Reno where we could drive to from Northern Cal?
Hi Eunicev -
No, there are no stores in Reno. Most of our sales are done over the internet.
Thanks
Dan
I hate California!!!!!!
Seeing that the Berkey systems approved for sale in California have the SAME EXACT FILTER ELEMENTS as the non approved. Why dont you label ALL Berkey systems as outdoor systems and be done with all the California BS?
Did I mention I Hate California?!?!?!?!
We agree Paul. Unfortunately we cannot change the designation for one state.
Thanks
Dan
Is it possible for those of us in Commiefornia (CA) to buy from you each piece of the Berkley system we want and we assemble it here at home in Commiefornia (CA)? Can you sell them like that?
Hi Ben -
No, unfortunately not at this time. You would need to send this system to a friend or relative outside of the state and have them forward it in.
Thanks
Dan
So could a Berkey Water Filter System be shipped to a friend in a nearby state, say Nevada, then driven to CA? Or is that a big no-no also?
Hi Jane -
Yes, this is permissible.
Thanks
Dan
I live in Ca. so i'm looking to purchase the Berkey light...I'm worried about UV sunlight coming thru the plastic....very sunny in my house. People put brown bags over there 5 gallon containers to prevent a green alge buildup.....really want stainless..what do u think?
Hi Josh -
Yes, algae can grow in the berkey light if they are exposed to constant sunlight, and not cleaned often. When this does happen, it's typically the upper chamber, not the lower purified chamber. In your case though, we would lean towards the stainless system.
Thanks
Dan
I'm a little confused by the "legalese" used in the regulations and in your response to the California laws. You mention something about the "... other stainless systems..." Is there some allegation that the stainless containers might emit some toxins? Please clarify. Thank you.
Hi Den -
No, we cannot speak to other companies and their stainless steel, only the products that Berkey manufacturers.
Thanks
Dan
WHY on EARTH are you worried about LEAD regulations in california? Your water systems SHOULD NOT have ANY lead in them at all for any reason, what the heck is going on that you could not meet ANY regulation about lead, are you saying there is LEAD in these filters, why?
JJ
Hi JJ -
No, there is not lead in these filters/systems whatsoever, and they are shown to actually remove lead from the water. The issue is not about being able to meet the regulations, but rather the burden of costs put on the company to prove this in CA. This article speaks to the original law and should help provide some clarity:
https://www.bigberkeywaterfilters.com/blog/berkey/berkey-water-filters-cannot-be-shipped-to-california
Thanks
Dan
Living in CA I can tell you; They are outright ridiculous with laws, taxes, and social policy. The more I hear about these situations makes me sure that CA is not going to survive much longer in its current condition.
Just my comments...
Thanks,
Storm
I take it that you still can't ship to Iowa. Could you tell me why? I read somewhere that it was due to high licensing fees.
Thanks--Kathy
Hi Kathy -
Yes, you are correct, it is due to the high licensing fees the state charges.
Thanks
Dan
can the smallest burkey now be shipped to CA and what was the lead problem with the burkeys that CA would not accept them? Is there lead in the water once it is filtered?
Hi Doreen -
Yes it can, and details on the law can be found in the first link in this article.
Thanks
Dan